Were they really such good liars? Or did you miss it because you didn't want to see it? The mind-changers: what hints, if any, did you miss or notice too late that they were actually fencesitters all along? I would also stop seeing it as a 'waste. You're going to have to go through a few breakups until you finally find the right match for you. If it wasn't kids, it could easily have been something else, as perfect as some of these guys might have appeared in the beginning and middle.
Weed them out before they catch feelings. In the meantime, though, I might suggest looking into dating services and communities specifically for child-free people. Any guy who's snipped means business. How do you make sure that the people you're dating share your future plans before things get too serious? Topics dating advice dating tips. Managing finances so that you can afford fun and some travel, yes.
Having a mattress that's not on the floor, yes. My life is so full of fun I don't even know how I got so lucky. I am involved with my local music community and socialize a lot. Some people would have a lot of trouble keeping up with me, especially on the weekend. Adulthood to me, especially childfree adulthood, means balancing such that you can have stability and hedonism.
A lot of people are interested in pursuing the latter without the former such that it affects their health and stability. After my divorce, I moved to a tropical beachside community and if just feels like I went on holidays 4 years ago and never went home. One day the party will probably end. I never intend to be in another relationship.
My ex wife came and visited over christmas I live about km from her now and it was fantastic, we were together 17 years and still very close but after that amount of time, you know them better than they know themselves so there is no longer any mystery.
She is the only woman that I have ever met in my age bracket that I find attractive - I think that has to be psychological because when I see her, I see her as if she has not aged at all. It is very weird. Aw, I love my on-floor mattress though. To be fair I set my room up really cozy and cute with pillows all over, so the on-ground mattress kinda fits my theme. I just hate having large, heavy furniture due to having moved so many times in the past.
Very minimalist, furniture wise. If I had a house I could actually live in long term, I'd probably get a bed. Yeah it's mystifying isn't it? I would never consider going on a date with someone that wanted kids and questioning them on it Either question is fair to ask. I'm 34 and have yet to hear a coherent argument about why someone would choose to have kids other than "whoops" or "it would make me happy. The worst is "to carry on my name". Like, you create this whole other person just to fill some hole in your ego.
I've been attacked by psychos online multiple times for "abandoning my genetic legacy" and "betraying my ancestors" lol I secretly love that my not having kids angers these people so much. I am also decidedly child free. I mention it right away though. If OLD, I state it in my profile. If we met IRL, I mention it before going on any dates. By the time people are our age 31 for me , they usually know one way or another.
So it makes no sense to waste time. I am not interested in having children, and at this point, it would take a special person to convince me to marry. Dating sucks. Immediately, I get hit with the questions: Why don't you want kids? Why don't you already have kids? What's wrong with you? Don't you want a family? These are major killers in OLD, and to be honest, I don't really want to date a person with kids or who might want them because I am not having them.
It's difficult to find someone in that boat, and I haven't found a good way to connect - or to get people to understand, because they also say, "Well, you'll like my kids! Just be upfront. Bumble is good in that it gives you a filter for family, but honestly I don't turn it on because there's plenty of women who don't put anything in that attribute. I met my girlfriend and she is completely down with not having kids but her profile doesn't State a preference either way, if I filtered for no kids in bumble I've never would have met her.
You pretty much described me there. I feel very pessimistic about finding a long-term relationship with a child free partner. Was curious about that statistic, and you're bloody right. Anyone had any luck asking their friends to set them up with someone who's also not wanting kids? I generally avoid asking friends to set me up with anyone. Also it might be a little shocking to see what kind of person they set you up with and how it reveals how they think of you as a person.
Not ready to open that can of worms with my friends. I 33F have been upfront with my desires to not have kids. I know that sounds selfish, maybe it is. It was too confusing and too many people in her life. My advice is to move to an urban area if you don't already live in one. A lot of city folk don't want kids these days. Just make it explicitly known that you don't want kids because you'll be wasting a lot of people's time. Thanks for this. I am making this clear, I just didn't know if that would put off people that honestly could go either way.
When you make the choice for people it sours them on the no kids side. They had no say in the end result. This is why I don't say I'm "childfree" and why this issue is so hard to navigate. I don't want biological kids, but I also wouldn't have an abortion if I got pregnant which most childfree people would expect, so I can't really date them either.
I'm also open to stepkids or adoption. I just never want to bring life into this world. But I don't NOT want to either So it's hard to even explain my stance on kids. I usually just say I don't want them, but it's complicated and things could always change.
I reserve the right to change my mind later. I've never had the finances or situation to have a kid before. So it's really hard to know how I might feel. We're biological machines. Anyone in the "either way" camp will probably fall on the kids side of the coin. I'm this. If I meet someone who really wanted kids, I would be okay with another one. If they didn't, I have one so if I don't ever have another one that's fine too. I'd rather someone be upfront about it either way.
Not really. A small part of me is open to kids, mostly because I wouldn't have an abortion if I accidentally became pregnant. This is very true. Look around any major city center, especially in the US, and you won't see kids. It's not just a lifestyle choice - almost no one can afford to raise multiple kids in a lot of cities when you factor in housing and day-care costs.
Yesterday I visited a church just outside the city center of one of our big cities. There were a few young families, but of people or so, I saw not a single one between the ages of 5 and 25 or so. And I'm sure every last one of those families with the youngsters will be gone by the time baby 2 pops out. I feel for you man. I've given up the dream of finding a childfree partner and am now just hoping for partial custody or looking at older men whose children are grown.
Depending on where you live you may be able to stick to your guns. I'm not convinced that's an option for me. Extend your dating age past We either have older kids or don't want them or have come to terms with not having them. I'm 43 and ok with not having them so a guy with a vasectomy is awesome.
Birth control sucks and screws with your body so much. Put the "does not want kids" line in your dating profile to cut down on waisted dates. What about if the other person already has a kid? Like a 12 year old. Still no? Well, I haven't been back on the market all that long. I think my first preference would be no, but if I'm in the same boat in a year then I might re-evaluate. I'm 38 in a couple weeks. Don't have, or want kids, not even if they're not mine at all.
I always see year-old guys with, "wants to start a family! I always wonder what the Hell they are thinking. There was a woman who posted something along these lines a few days ago and claimed something along the lines of almost all men in our age bracket want kids.
Anyway, I've just accepted through my own experiences that some people only can speak of women but it seems rather common simply cannot be happy and fulfilled unless they have their own children. As much I would love to make a great woman genuinely happy by popping a baby in her, I know it would be a catastrophe for me any any children.
My dating pool was either single dads or men wanting babies. I gave up on finding a true CF man. I now have steps. I love the man enough to accept the bonuses. Good luck. IRL too. Having kids is one of those "iffy" things that can flip, even with people who are very certain.
I had a GF who had three kids didn't live with us , she had some health issues, had a hysterectomy. Even then, she would ask me if I wanted kids every year not why we broke up later. But, still Yeah, where I live it's such a barren wasteland of CF women I've completely given up on dating all together. I hang out with my friends, workout, play videogames. Basically just carve out something to do that I love and enjoy and it has now turned into "'She' has to be pretty darn awesome for me to give up any of this" which is actually pretty nice.
In my opinion, given your age, it should be easier to address the issue now rather than when you are in your 20s. Most women will have this defined around their 30s and can be the easiest addressing it. Yeah and I'm just trying to be as up front about is as I can. I don't want to waste anyone's time. I clearly state in my online profile that I don't want kids and yet I've been on dates with women that are like "you're what I'm looking for, now let me try to convince you to change your mind.
Just so you know, people do that with everything. Anything to suit their preferences because you "ticked all the boxes". Oh bullshit. You may want to look up the definition there. Calling people incel is weirdly like calling people a cuck, now.
No actual meaning beyond insult given. As someone who doesn't want kids, I haven't dating to be too difficult. My type artistic, neurotic, sensitive is also more likely to be in this boat. I like to date attractive and interesting women and worry about long term compatibility later. Right" works for would-be parents, and there's no reason it wouldn't work for us. It will decrease your first dates for sure, but the overall process will be better for it. Yeah, I also just don't want the heart-break on either of our ends of falling for someone and having it fall apart on the kids thing.
My kid is 13 and I have no desire to have anymore children. No helpful advise for OP, but just know I understand your dilemma! I think it's a lot harder for men to find a woman that is sure she doesn't want kids. I have always known I never wanted kids, and I make it known up front.
My second husband was 41 when I met him, and he was on the fence. We met through Match, and he said I was one of two women that came up when he changed his search options to only women that didn't want children - the hard No.
He said he really didn't want kids, but he would consider it if he met a good woman for which he was willing to make that sacrifice. Perhaps you could just try the fence-sitting position while dating? Or try dating women with kids that are grown?
Personally, I won't even date someone with grown kids lol. I'm very similar -- zero desire for children, vasectomy, divorced at 30 due to cheating wife. But that's okay and pretty painless nowadays. I ended up on OkCupid since you can filter for "don't have and don't want children" and found a lot of good options. Like even the dates that didn't go anywhere were pretty decent.
I've been in a relationship with a great woman from there for a couple years now. I live in a big metropolitan area, which certainly helped. If you're in a less urban area filled with more "traditional" women, you should consider a change of venue. The good news is: a Once you mention your vasectomy, you pretty much immediately turn off any "you'll change your mind" type people, and b When you meet another childfree person you almost certainly have a whole lot more in common than just that nontraditional, desire for independence, etc; also high on my list of requirements was pretty left wing and not religious -- you almost get those two for free.
That breeds resentment and regret. I'm 46F, don't want kids have never wanted them and don't want to date a man with kids. I've been told that is a totally unrealistic expectation "at my age" but I'm fine with that. I want what I want and I'm happy to be single until I find it. I'm 32 and haven't wanted kids since before I knew I had a choice. My profile is VERY clear in this and anyone who has kids or wants kids gets an immediate pass.
Story of my dating life. As a childfree myself who lives in a relatively small town, my dating pool is pretty much zero lol. I'd have to resort to semi long distance relationships which sadly, none has lasted so far. But, I'd rather be single than change my beliefs. My experiences seem to be vastly different from most of the posters here. Not one single guy I've talked to or met on OLD has had an issue with my choices or made rude comments about it.
As a matter of fact, most are very excited that I'm childfree and even more excited that I'm sterilized. My first preference is another childfree person and I was very worried when I started OLD 2 years ago that would be hard to find. It hasn't been and I've gone out with year olds. I will consider dating someone with grown kids but even then, I'm not ok with more than one or two.
I haven't figured out how I feel about the inevitable grandchildren in that situation. I think it's harder for childfree men to find the same so I feel for you. But as someone who was a stepmother for a number of years, that's a tough job and honestly I don't recommend it. I don't have kids yet and I have come the to realization that I most likely won't be able to have a kid, so that is another reason why I am ok with dating a guy who has a kid.
No kids, don't want any. Tried to date a few women with kids I simply cannot do it. I don't have issues with other people's kids tho Yes, not wanting kids cuts a significant portion of the opposite sex I'm 38F. And I can't have kids. Not easily, anyway, and I'm not interested in starting a very medically invasive and expensive process at this point in my life just to have a child.
Maybe if I was 25 I'd feel differently, but, such is life. I thought it would be easy to find men my age who didn't want kids or were done having them, but, it's not. It's super frustrating. I've noticed now with the filters guys wont put they have kids on there. Met a few guys in person that have dropped the hey by the way, I have a kid or 3, hope you like them on me after the fact.
I dont have kids and don't really want to date someone who does. Not a mean thing, but, I'm not a babysitter and I dont care about kids milestones. I tried to date guys with them and it's just not enjoyable, so OP I understand. Would you consider dating a woman that has older kids? Plenty of women in their 30s have teenagers, who are mostly self sufficient.
Just a thought. I actually do have a kid, an almost 13 year old son. However, his paternal grandparents have primary custody of him and he hasn't lived with me since he was 5. I see him maybe twice a year, if my work schedule lines up with his school breaks and extracurricular activities. I love my kid, but he wasn't planned and I realized very quickly that motherhood is not something I can handle.
I had my tubes tied years ago to ensure that it would never happen again. It's incredibly difficult to find guys with LTR potential who are childfree. While it's very presumptuous to say "oh, you'll change your mind," that has been my experience. Guys will say they aren't interested in kids, but then as more and more of their friends get married and start families, they all seem to decide that they want them after all. At this point I've decided to just date casually for a few years no LTR.
I'm hoping that as I get older, it will be easier to find guys who are okay with never having kids. You are in your mid thirties so chances are that women in their 30's or early 40's already have a kid or two and may not want anymore. I'm 31 and I don't want any children as well. I got lucky a few months ago and met a 33 year old woman who has no children and also doesn't want any.
It wasn't easy but there is hope! I very clearly put it on my profiles that I don't want kids, but don't bring it up in first texts or first dates, and then if we do have a second date double clearly clarify. I just met a great girl who also doesn't want kids, so they are definitely out there, lots of them!
Especially in the 37 and older category, the opportunity for kids his past those people by and they're starting to settle for a great guy but no kids. Were out there. I never have. I have my shit together and want an equal partner and the DINK life. I'm kinda in the same boat, except that I have a kid. I am sterile and it seems that all the woman I see on OLD all want more kids.
I'm not sure how I feel about matching when their profile says they want more, but I can't give them any. I also don't know how serious they want kids, or if it would be a nice to have. I've never dated someone over 35 that wanted kids. In which, case That's almost as rare as the Unicorn. I'm the same way, dude. While I like kids, and dont have any problem dating a woman with kids I know I dont want them I'm in my mid-late 40s.
A lot of women take my "not wanting kids" as "not liking kids", which I try to explain, but the idea usually ends up sticking in their head and they are no longer interested which, is fine. Just be patient and keep wading through until you find the right one. Good luck! I do have one teenager and I'm I don't want anymore kids. With online dating, guys who want kids tend to message me.
I don't get it. I firmly tell them I don't want anymore, but I guess they think if they got me hooked, I'd change my mind. One guy I dated adamantly told me the older he gets, the less he wanted kids. Then one day, spit out how he wanted 3 kids. I told him I was wanting to get my tubes tied and he said I was being rash and that lots of women in their 30s are having kids. I wasted 8 months with a guy who lied about wanting kids. I'd rather be single, then waste mine or their time.
Hey dude, I'm exactly where you are. I'm 32 and have zero desire to have any kids of my own, either, I had a vasectomy many years ago. The harsh reality is, the odds are vastly against us in terms of meeting a partner who doesn't want kids themselves.
I never took myself out of the dating pool. It was always a struggle finding dates, for a myriad of reasons, but not in the least was the CF thing. But I was always trying. So I'd say keep going, but just know it's going to be a limited pool. Watch out for the women who are who feel like this is their last chance at kids, I went on dates with a few of those.
Ultimately I found an awesome woman who doesn't want kids either. It just took literally years and years. Be patient, be happy with yourself, the rest will come. I'm also 30, single, childfree. It's a nightmare. To top it all off, I'm also atheist. I don't waste my time going out with someone on a date until I'm halfway down my list of checking for dealbreakers. Which now means that I just don't go out with anyone on dates. Have made a habit of doing date stuff with my other single friends. It helps.
I'm an atheist too I'm not "militant" But I refuse to date a religious person because my experience with them has taught me that sooner or later, they get uncomfortable with it and start to worry about your soul and that you won't share an afterlife with them. I struggle with disclaimers. Should I be upfront about it all before I let anyone close? They might notice all the meds on my dresser and the frequent therapist visits, anyway.
I already have a kid from my previous marriage but don't want more. The woman I'm dating is definitely child free. We talked about it before we set up a second date and she was very clear that she didn't want to be my child's mother or if possible not interact with her. I was very clear that my child has a great mother and doesn't need another mother. Bam, problem solved. She wants me to be a good father but doesn't want to interact. It works out for both of us. Point being, sometimes there are compromises to be made.
Relationships are about compromise. I'm in the same boat. Last real LTR ended when i around 36 as well. No kids, good career, etc I actually wanted kids at that time, so a bit different for me when i went back into the dating scene again. But i didnt want to be an older dad, so around 40 i just decided for myself to give up looking for a partner who also wanted a family. Kids - whether you want them, or don't want them - is a dealbreaker for most no matter how you cut it. A question you'll have to ask yourself is, are you willing to date someone who already has kids?
If you don't mind it, then theres lots of women out there who already have children and not looking for more.
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I hate everyone's insistence that I'm just going through a "phase," and I sometimes feel like there's something wrong with me for not wanting children. I don't know what to do; I'm really depressed about it, and I think I'll have to wait until I'm 40 until I can date again. I tried Internet dating and I clicked the option I didn't want children and one woman wrote to me, but she was a something divorced woman that I wasn't attracted to.
I don't want to get to the point of constant angry resentment which I can feel from time to time or be a hermit. But I don't know what to do or how to find women my age or a little older that don't want children. I see all these couples and I get envious of them and I feel like I'll never be in a relationship again. I don't know what to do. Thank you for any advice you can give me. The good news for you is that "the percentage of women of childbearing age who define themselves as voluntarily childless is on the rise.
You just have to find some of these women. I'll bet they can be found in places hospitable to socially dissident urban clusters. Sure enough, in searching around for places where you might find such women, I ran across this. It's not exactly exhaustive but gives you an idea of what people are thinking. And here it is again, updated. It would be smart to move to an area where you are likely to find the most suitable mates.
If moving is not practical, then reach out to childfree women through such forums as No Kidding! It bills itself as "an international social club for adult couples and singles who have never had children. So the main thing for you personally seems to be that you have a perfectly logical set of reasons for not wanting kids, and you need to be proud of it.
And find some women who see things your way. They are out there. You just have to look in the right places. Profile Go Ad-Free Logout. I want to date women who don't want kids I don't want to deceive or disappoint. Related Topics Since You Asked. Dating over 40, people have life history. Sometimes that means, marriage, divorce and children.
Children are a blessing — there is no question. However, not every woman wants children…or wants to be a step mom either. What do you say about this when writing your online dating profile? Neither should you mention any of the following. Let me explain the reasoning here. Think about it this way, your a man looking through profiles to meet women. In other words, who should not apply for the position of her date and lover. How do men view these requirements, especially the negative type?
They hear it as criticism. He hears criticism and you just lost out on a potentially great guy. There is another aspect to writing your profile to portray yourself as as positively as possible. Avoid sounding demanding , What do I mean? Avoid using words like this at all costs.
Demanding, rigid, hard to please, picky, difficult — everything but relaxed, easy going or easy to get along with. You might not be this way, but let him get to know you first. Just like you, men are looking for red flags in your online dating profile. If you stop using these phrases and describing the man you want in this fashion, more men might be willing to contact you.
You Wan to encourage men to contact you.
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